Wednesday, September 23, 2009

Why protest like unionists, Sibal asks IIT faculty

Human Resource Development Minister Kapil Sibal on Tuesday questioned the rationale of IIT faculty protesting like “trade unionists” against their revised pay scales.

“Pained” at their decision to observe a token fast on Thursday, he said the Ministry was in no way trying to interfere with the autonomy of the Indian Institutes of Technology as was made out by the faculty.

In a point-to-point rebuttal of the issues they raised, Mr. Sibal wanted to know how the provision for a Ph.D with first class at the preceding degree for the posts of Assistant Professor, Associate Professor and Professor could be seen as an attempt to dilute merit or autonomy. Further, this was a recommendation made by the Fifth Central Pay Commission.

As for the decision to set aside 10 per cent recruitments in a year at the Assistant Professor level on contract for Ph.Ds from the IITs, Mr. Sibal said this was part of the government’s effort to retain some of the IIT products within the system.

Given the opposition to the move, he pointed out that individual IITs were free to write to their boards for relaxation of this provision if they could not meet the 10 per cent requirement.

Referring to the IIT faculty comparing their pay scales with that of university and college teachers and those in certain government departments such as Atomic Energy, the Ministry’s contention is that they were picking and choosing only aspects that suited their argument.

“The fact is that an IIT faculty member can become an Associate Professor within six years, while under the University Grants Commission scales, this transition takes double the time,” Mr. Sibal said.

Defending the 40 per cent cap on the post of Professors at the grade of Rs.12,000 per month, he said a new pay band had been created for senior professors. The cap was much higher for the IITs than UGC institutions, where 10 per cent of the sanctioned posts of professor were placed in the senior grade. At the National Institutes of Technology, the cap was at 20 per cent, and the All-India Institute of Medical Sciences had a 25 per cent cap on the senior professor grade.

Borrowing a line from the All-India IIT Faculty Federation that the “issue is not just about a higher pay scale,” Mr. Sibal said: “I am happy that for them, salary is not the issue.” Drawing attention to their earnings from consultancies, he described their salary as the “icing on the cake,” adding the actual teaching time was kept very low in the IITs to facilitate research and consultancy work.

Source : The Hindu.

5 comments :

Unknown said...

There is no need to give your lecturer, Mr. Sibal. We know, how you people want to do politics in every educational institute.
Mr. Goverdhan Mehta played too much politics in University system. That would be maintained again if there is 10% cap on professor at every university. This play should enter to other ground like NITs, IITs, IIMs and so ministry played their game. Finally, we know that Govt. of India has to be blamed for such HRD minsters like MM. Joshi, Arjun singh and now Mr. Kapil Sibal. Yes, you are supposed to answerable to parliament if you enter to the parliament as a Minister. Please, defeat Mr. Kapil Sibal in the next election from Delhi. Start home work now and hope, we can answer him during 2114 elections including this inefficient Govt. by UPA

Unknown said...

Kapil Sibal is right that IIT/IIM teachers are elite class so they should not go for 'strike'. Only NITs, IIITs, ISM Dhanbad, Universities and colleges should go for 'strike'. Elite teachers should not ask for respectable salaries / perks or faciliteis or career advancements: They shall only aim at becoming 'Nobel Laurettes' who never go for strike.

The lie of the Minister and his bandvagon is exposed (that IIT teachers have been given more pay than Govt servants and UGC) from the following fact :-

1. An Assoc Prof in old scale (16400-20000) drawing old basic of Rs 19100 will get basic Rs 43390 + AGP Rs 9500 = Rs 52890.( Tab.S-27)

2. In UGC for this old scale at old basic Rs 19100 one will get Rs 44700+10000= Rs 55700 (UGC Fitment Table No.5 or same Table S-27 !!& S-29)

3. For central Govt servant drawing same old basic pay of Rs 19100 in old scale 12000-18300 (both starting and ending pay less than an Assoc Prof )one will draw new Rs 44700 + GP 9000= 53700 (UGC Table 4 and for Central Govt employees Table S25) and principals old scale 12000-18300 will now get 44700+10000= 54700.

4. For Central Govt servants in old scale of 15100-18300 (Again starting and ending salaries less than Assoc Prof 16400-2000) the new basic basic 46500 + 8900 = 55400

For the same basic pay an IIT Associate Prof ( who is in a senior scale 16400-20000) will get Rs 52890 ( remember he has been given higher AGP 9500 , 500 more than UGC reader). A reader/ principal in UGC ( old scale 12000-18300) will get 54700 and principal Rs 55700. A govt servant will get Rs 53700 and another govt servant will get 55400.

According to Mr Sibal's arguemants (Beware, he is a supreme court lawyer - so he has a right for such arguments) To an IIT Assoc Prof Rs 52890 is higher than Rs 53700, or Rs 54700 or Rs 55400 or Rs 55700.

Can You DARE to BARE in the arguments like him??

BUT Kapil Sibal can still prove that IIT teachers have been given more than others only because he is KAPIL SIBAL.

Unknown said...

Minimum Expectation for Asst. Prof. at IIM/IIT :
Recruitment of Ph.D with 3 yrs of teaching/ research/ industrial experience excluding however, the experience gained while pursuing Ph.D: to start in PB-4 (AGP 9,000). But in the latest revised notification, it is written that after 3 years of service, Asst. Prof. will move to PB-4 AGP 9000.

BUT SEE THE LATEST UGC NOTIFICATION:
UGC has issued fresh regulations dated Sep 23, 2009 for pay sclaes etc for
institutions under their purview. IIX notifications that we are agitated
about were marginally better than the UGC draft regulations, but the new
UGC regulations have upgraded things on the UGC side, so now, IIX pay
scales are distinctly LOWER than in UGC. The existing MHRD notifications
for IIX have become untenable. There are too many things for me to point
out, I will just pick a glaring example. UGC readers in the 12000 scale
who were "selected on or after 1.1.2006, shall be redesignated as
Associate Professor from the date of his/her selection, and will be placed
in the Pay Band IV of Rs.37400-67000 with AGP of Rs. 9000". If you have
the patience, read through the UGC regulations and have a good laugh.

So, why Ass. Prof. at IIM/IIT can not be placed at PB-4 with 3 years of expreiences ???


Mr. Kapil Sibal has no knowledge about the happening to UGC scale of Rs 12000 and IIM/IIT scale Rs 12000. In one case, faculty with same pay scale will move to PB-4 (in University) while with the same pay scale, IIM/IIT faculty will have to work for again 3 years to move PB-4. Mr. Kapil Sibal use your common sense before conducting IIT council meeting !!!

NIT Pay Scales said...

Dear Kapil Sibal Ji,
WILL You walk a mile only for IITs ... ??????

WHY CANT YOU WALK A FEW STEPS----- ONLY A FEW STEPS.... FOR NITs.... .... IN PARTICULAR YOUNG FACULTY MEMBERS..... ARE WE NOT YOUR KIDS.....


NIT faculty members were made to wait for almost an year more than UGC. Finally MHRD discovered that we are same like UGC and has given the same UGC scales.....
Various NITs made a number of memorandums.(In a dignified manner as reported by IIM)
But, not even a single time their concerns were heard, in the TWO modifications MHRD has given dated 16th and 22nd.

The pay commission was framed to attract young faculty members with PhD and to retain existing faculty.
As far as NITs are converned MHRD has done everything possible to retain existing senior faculty members.

For young faculty members, MHRD said seven non compoundable advance increment will be given for a person with PhD.
Unfortunately, we don,t know, whether our English is bad or MHRDs, the existing faculty members with PhDs are given a mere TWO increments only. The argument is that a person who is going to be recruited after this GO and who joins with a PhD only will be given 7 increments. Even if a person submits his thesis and gets his PhD the next day of joining NIT, he will be eligible for only TWO increments.
Young faculty members with PhD represented MHRD through various memorandums to keep them at 7000 AGP AT LEAST.
BUT NOTHING HAPPENED FOR THIS DIGNIFIED(AS REPORTED BY IIM)PETITIONS TILL DATE. INSTEAD WE ARE PUNISHED STILL MORE BY GIVING JUST TWO INCREMENTS.

OKAY, If we think that We will leave this institution and join another as a fresher to get atleast the SEVEN increments promised for a fresher, UGC has recently come up with another regulation saying, Discretionary award of advance increments can be given only to Asso Profs and Professors and not to a person joining fresh AS ASSISTANT PROFESSOR(6.4.19 IN REGULATION 2009).
WHY..... What wrong thing we made....Spending 5 to 10 years in various industries and institutions before joining NIT is a fault...OR Did a bit of research to get a PhD in service is a fault... WHAT WRONG THING WE MADE....
SO, U WONT GIVE US PROPER SALARY... U wont allow us to join ANOTHER INSTITUTION also peacefully....(B,COS WE WILL LOSE OUR SERVICE AND WE MAY NOT GET ADVANCE INCREMENTS OTHER THAN FOR PHD......) So, MHRD should tell us what service we should do in our existing institutes...

THOSE WHO JOINED NIT AFTER SUBMITTING THEIR THESIS AND GOT THEIR PhD IN SERVICE IN A MONTH OR TWO AFTER JOINING NIT DONT KNOW
WHETHER WE ARE A FRESH FACULTY
OR
AN EXISTING FACULTY......

WE ARE NOT PROVIDED EITHER THE BENEFITS SHOWN TO EXISTING FACULTY(SENIORS)
NOR
THE BENEFITS GIVEN TO FRESH FACULTY.....
AND WE CANT LEAVE FOR ANOTHER INSTITUTION ALSO(for the reason mentioned above)
ONLY GOD CAN SAVE US ...........

NIT Pay Scales said...

WHO WILL TALK ON BEHALF OF YOUNG FACULTY MEMBERS OF NITs

Dear Kapil Sibal Ji,

We are happy that you are trying to resolve the issues in IIT Pay scales. We saw the interview you gave to media. We are happy.
But Sir, will you spend few minutes time to look into the issues raised by Young Faculty Members of NITs ???.
We didn’t get any representation in the Pay Revision Committee. There were only professors………, professors………… and professors. They have taken care of themselves.

We are not getting any support from our faculty association also.
Because, starting from Selection Grade Lecturers, all have got PB4, Which, even the IIT Assistant Professors have not got.

The pay revision committee headed by Prof. Mehta visited IITs and they got the views of Young Faculty members of IIT. But, to the greatest surprise, they did not find time to visit even a single NIT. They did not analyze the present strength of NITs, their publication history, their sponsored research projects, their expectations, .,,,,,,,. Nothing was done and still the committee made a statement that NITs should be given the scales of UGC.

However, NIT faculty who are selection grade lecturers and above are extremely happy as they are getting PB4.

DEAR SIR,
Young faculty members of NITs are not asking for PB4. We are not asking for equal scales like IITs. We are not asking for autonomy like IIT, because within NIT itself, we don’t have autonomy.

In NIT, we don’t have an association like NIT YOUNG FACULTY ASSOCIATION to struggle for us. We are not having the support of our senior faculty colleagues also.

We have no means of representation except this blog and few e mails.

Sir, Kindly look into our issues.

You can compare our performance in terms of publication, in terms of projects, in terms of additional qualification like PhD, in terms of previous experience put in at other leading industries and institutes before joining NIT, our foreign visits, and what ever qualities you desire and you feel is existing in leading institutes like IITs and THEN PLEASE DECIDE ON OUR REQUEST. Please don’t decide based on a professor’s report done without an analysis of the nature shown above.

Again, Sir, we are not asking for IIT scales which is 38,0000 for a regular faculty position.Please don’t say that the starting scale of IIT is only 21,600, which is a contract position. We too have such positions, which we call Adhoc lecturers, and their pay being around 10,000.

ATLEAST PROVIDE 7000 AGP FOR A FACULTY WITH PHD AND AN YEAR OF EXPERIENCE TO NIT FACULTY AS YOU GIVE TO THE ENTRY LEVEL CONTRACT POSITION OF IIT.

SO, SIR, KINDLY GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY.KINDLY DECIDE BASED ON OUR PERFORMANCE .WE STRONGLY FEEL OUR POSITION IS STRONG IN TERMS OF RESEARCH, PUBLICATION AND QUALIFICATION.

AS A LAST POINT, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, SINCE REC BECAME NITs, THERE WAS A HUGE RACE BETWEEN NITs TO OUTPERFORM EACH OTHER AND THIS WAS THE AGENDA FOR MOST OF THE NIT DIRECTORS AND MOST OF THE NITS HAVE PERFORMED WELL WITHIN THE LAST 5 YEARS.SO, PLEASE DON’T HAVE A PRE CONCEIVED BAD IMPRESSION ABOUT OUR INSTITUTES AND PLEASE TAKE DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS.

SIR, WE DON’T HAVE STRENGTH, WE DON’T HAVE THE BACKING OF OUR ASSOCIATION. PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL.

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